571. CHARLES HARRIS proceedingsdefend and ROBERT BUDD proceedingsdefend were indicted, for that they, in a certain field and open place, near the King's highway, in and upon Charles Hill proceedingsvictim , did make an assault, on the 11th of September , putting him in fear, and taking from his person, a silver watch, value 50s. a steel chain, value 6d. a base metal seal gilt with gold, value 6d. a man's hat, value 12s. two guineas and four shillings, the goods and monies of the said Charles Hill .

(The case was opened by Mr. Gurney).

CHARLES HILL sworn.

Examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. On the 11th of September, did any thing happen to you? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you know Budd previous to that? - A. I knew his name was Robert, I don't know much of him; we made an agreement, and supped at Mr. William's, the Bayswater coffee-house, and I paid for the supper; when I came out, thirty-five minutes after eight, I looked at my watch, it was a moonlight night; I wished to go along the road home, but he said there were only two fields to go over before we got to Paddington ; we went through one field, and in getting over the second stile, Budd run away; as soon as I got over the stile, I saw a man get out of the ditch; and the man said to me, damn your eyes deliver your money? money! say I, and looked round for Budd, and he was run away; he ran away and left me as soon as the man spoke to me; I was pulling out my money as fast as I could, and he struck me with a great stick, and made my head all over blood, it ran down my shirt, and then he kicked me into the ditch; I had given him my money, and he said, damn your eyes, you have not given me your watch; I had given him two new guineas and some silver, but I cannot justly say how much silver there was; I told him I would give it him, and he began to kick me in three or four places in my left side; I gave him the watch, and then he broke my arm with the stick, and turned it round.

Q. What did he turn it round with? - A.With his hand; after that I jumped over the stile, but with the agony I cried out greatly, and said to him, I am very much obliged to you for what you have done; give me my hat; and he said, damn your eyes I will cut your throat; and he attempted to cut my throat, I don't know what it was with; and having a stiffener in my handkerchief, it did not got through; which you will see by and by, Gentlemen, and the blood flew from my head and face, over his frill, and he went away; and then I went to the Bayswater coffee-house.

Q. Were you able to see the countenance of the person that did this? - A. Yes; that tall man Harris, with the flaxen hair.

Q.Are you quite sure? - A. Yes.

Q. Was there light sufficient to enable you to speak with certainty to his features? - A. Yes; I then went to Dr. Davis's, in Oxford-road; they were taken that night.

Q. When did you see them afterwards? - A. On Thursday, at Bow street, I saw him among a great many other bakers there; and I said that is the man over yonder, I could just see his head.

Q. You were not in a condition to see him before that? - A. No; I was not; the robbery was on the Sunday.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knowlys. Q. This was only moonlight, the light had closed at this time? - A. Yes.

Q. You saw a person coming out of the ditch, and Budd, the moment he called out to deliver the money, ran away? - A. Yes.

Q. I therefore take it you were a great deal frightened by loosing your companion, and the man coming to rob you? - A. I seemed rather alarmed.

Q. How long did this continue do you think? - A. I cannot justly say to a minute, it might be about four or five minutes.

Q. Your fright was not lessened by this treatment of the person? - A. My arm was very painful undoubtedly.

Q. Did you not say now at Bow-street, that it was a person who had very much the appearance of a gentleman, that robbed you, but that you could not swear that Harris was the man? - A. No, I did not; I said, at Bow-street, that that was the man.

Q. Are you sure that you were positive to him then? - A. Yes.

Q. At this time you were under very considerable alarm that the man attacked you, who did attack you? - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Jackson, for Budd. Q. All that you know of Budd was, that his name was Robert? - A. Yes.

Q. And all that you have said is as true as that: How long have you been acquainted with Budd? - A. A few weeks.

Q. How many? - A. It might be four.

Q. Not longer? - A. I cannot justly say.

Q. Was it six weeks, do you think? - A. I don't think it was so long as that; I dare say it was about four or six weeks.

Q.And during that four or six weeks, how often might you have been in his company? - A.When my business called me that way, I saw him.

Q.Were you not very frequently together, and very intimate; you know the lad's master is here, and twenty other people? - A. Yes; we used to drink together, but not very frequently; when I used to go up to Paddington, I used to see him, and drink together.

Q. Were you with him three times a week upon an average, during that six weeks? - A. I believe I might.

Q. Did not you go so constantly, that his master chid you, and wanted to know what you wanted? - A. No; I never called upon him but once in my life.

Q. You did not see him so often then? - A. I have met with him going out with his bread.

Q. And yet all that you know about him is, that his name is Robert; I think it has been stated, that you made some appointment upon the Friday before, how you should meet on the Sunday evening? - A. Yes.

Q. I believe it was proposed jocosely between you, that you were to meet under the forfeiture of half-a-crown, or a guinea? - A. I believe it was.

Q. You proposed to him, that if he did not meet you according to the then appointment, he should forfeit half-a-crown, or a guinea? - A. Yes.

Q.What was the house first proposed to meet at? - A. At the Red-lion, in Oxford-road; I went, but did not find him, and I went again, and he was there.

Q. You drank there? - A. No, I did not.

Q. And then you proposed to go to the Yorkshire-stingo? - A. No, Chalk-Farm; but, says he, no; I don't know any thing about going so far as that, says I, then we will go down to Bayswater.

Q.Upon your oath, did not you propose to spend the remainder of the evening at the Yorkshire-stingo? - A. No, it was one evening before.

Q. But, upon the present occasion, he proposed going to Chalk Farm, and you did not like to go there? - A. Yes.

Q. Then, if you had accepted of this man's invitation to go to Chalk-Farm, this scheme could not have taken place? - A. No.

Q. You proposed going to Bayswater as a nearer place? - A. Yes.

Q. YOu called for some supper, and treated the young man? - A. Yes; I paid for it.

Q. So that all these little invitations, the Yorkshire-stingo, a few days before, and the Red-lion, and all this, and yet all that you knew of him was, that his name was Robert? - A. Yes.

Q. You know Jane Smart < no role > , the servant of the public-house, at Bayswater? - A. No.

Q. You saw a servant attending? - A. No.

Q. How much did you drink? - A. One pot of beer, and I believe, a shillingsworth of punch, and half a pint of wine.

Q. Was not it a pint? - A. I believe not.

Q. You were pretty liberal in pushing the bottle about? - A. I asked him to drink, and he took it.

Q. The girl did not happen to say, that if you pushed about the liquor so, you would make the boy drunk? - A. She might say I was drunk.

Q. Upon your oath, did not Jane Smart say, if you pushed about the liquor so, you would make the lad drunk? - A. She might say so, very likely, but I don't remember it.

Q. You will not venture to swear she did not say so to you? - A. No.

Q.When you were disposed to depart, you asked this young woman, if it was not a shorter cut over the fields? - A. She came out to the door with Robert; she said to me, you fool, I dare say you know how far it is to Paddington, so often as you go that way.

Q. Upon your oath, did not you ask Jane Smart, if you could go over the fields to Paddington? - A. I would not wish to say any thing but what I know; if I did, it has slipped my memory.

Q. The lad was tipsey then, was not he, he had been drinking with you all day? - A. No; we did not meet till thirty five minutes past seven.

Q. And then this other man said, damn your eyes stop? - A. He said, damn your eyes, deliver your money.

Q. You were extremely frightened? - A. Yes.

Q.By the same rule, your companion might be extremely frightened too? - A. As he left me, I suppose, so I cannot tell any thing about that.

Q.He was on one side of the stile, and you on the other when you were stopped? - A. Yes.

Q. And then he took to his heels and ran away? - A. Yes.

Q. You went from the Red-lion in a coach, to Bayswater? - A. Yes.

Q. It was you that pulled the string, and told the man to go to Bayswater? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you know Mr. Arnold? - A. No.

Q. I believe you happened to say to him that you did not want to hurt Budd, for Budd had not hurt you? - A. I don't know Mr. Arnold.

Q. I ask you, whether you ever said that to anybody? - A.If I was to see the man, I could tell you.

Q. But have not you said so to any person, that you did not want to hurt Budd, for Budd never hurt you? - A. If I was to see the man, I could tell you.

Court. Q. Did you ever say so to any body? - A. I might have said so.

Mr. Gurney. Q. Have you ever had any persons coming to you, talking to you about this business then? - A. Yes; and offering me money.

Q. Recollect yourself, and be quite certain, whether the proposal to go to the Bayswater coffee-house came from you or from Budd? - A. I believe, from me.

JOHN WILLIAMS < no role > sworn.

Examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. I keep the Bayswater coffee-house.

Q. Do you recollect the prosecutor and Budd supping at your house on Sunday evening? - A. I did not see them.

Q. That evening did you see Harris at your house? - A. About a quarter before nine, Harris came to my house and ordered sixpennyworth of rum and water.

Q. Did he sit down in the tap-room? - A. He was offered a candle to go into a room, but he would not, he sat down at the bar.

Q. Did any conversation take place while you were there? - A. Yes; he had two sixpennyworths of rum and water, and while drinking, he produced a stick, which I claimed to be my stick; he said, there was his fellow-servant, and he must go, and he went off directly; he had called for a third sixpennyworth, but did not stop to drink it.

Q. Had you ever lent that stick? - A. Yes; to a baker that he was journeyman to, Mr. Bourne, baker, in King's-street, but from the circumstance of his bringing a leg of mutton to be dressed at my house, I recollected it.

Q. Do you know whether they had ever lived together as fellow-servants? - A. Harris told me, he lived at Mr. Hester's; Budd I know nothing at all of.

Q.What sort of a stick was this? - A. It is here, a painted stick.

Q. A large or small one? - A. A middling size stick.

Q. Soon after Harris went out, did the prosecutor, Hill, come back to you? - A. Yes; very much in blood, with his arm broke; upon that I ordered the man to cut his hair off, and wash him with brandy; our people all knew Budd.

Q.After that, did you go or send any body in pursuit of the person? - A. I sent my waiters, I did not go myself.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. Harris sat down at the bar; he told you where he lived, at Mr. Hester's? - A. Yes.

Q. That was the truth, was not it? - A. Yes.

Q. He paid, of course, for the rum and water that he had? - A. He paid two sixpennyworths.

Mr. Knapp. Q.That was all he had? - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Jackson. Q. How many fields are there between Paddington and Bayswater? - A. I believe there may be four or five fields; but there are two or three ways, the way they were going four or five fields.

Q. This place is about half-way? - A. Yes.

Court. Q. When the prosecutor and Budd were at your house, where were they? - A. In the taproom; five or six of the waiters were at supper at the same time.

Court. Q. Harris was in the bar? - A. Yes.

Court. Q. Did you observe any conversation between them? - A. No; only from information, the bar is open to the tap-room.

JAMES POLE < no role > sworn.

I was at the Bayswater coffee-house the night this happened; I saw two men at supper there, but I cannot say who they were; I came in promiscuously.

Q. Did the two persons leave the tap-room while you were in it? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you see any other person at the bar? - A. Not that I noticed.

Q.Were you there when the prosecutor came back covered with blood? - A. Yes; we took him to the surgeon's, and then we went to look for the prisoners at the bar.

Q. Did you go to the house of Harris's master? - A. Yes; I waited there sometime, and he was not come home; he came home, I suppose, about eleven o'clock.

Q. Who was with you at the time you were there? - A. Three more that went to join me, and one of the constables of Paddington; when he came home he passed through the shop, and came backward with this stick in his hand, and a hat in his hand tied up in a handkerchief; he went through the shop as quick as a dart; it was in the dark, and we went to look after him and found him in the necessary; we found this stick among the wood that was for lighting the oven in the morning; when I found the stick I took Harris by the collar and told him he was my prisoner, upon strong suspicion of robbing a man near Bayswater; and he said, he had not been at Bayswater at all; after we had lodged him at a watch-house, we went back to Mr. Hester's to see if we could find the hat and watch, and we found the hat thrown over a wall; the man is here that found it the next day; we found the watch thrown into a shed among the shavings that were there for the use of the oven; I was present when Baker, the patrol, found them.

Q.Has Baker got them now? - A. Yes.

Q.Were you present at the apprehension of Budd? - A. Yes, the same night about two o'clock in the morning, at his master's house.

Q. Was he in bed? - A. No; in his master's shop; the patroles went back with himwhat passed pretty well; I told him we wanted his man Robert.

Q. Did any conversation pass between you and Budd? - A. No, no conversation at all; the patroles searched him, but I was not present.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knowlys. Q. At the time you took Harris was he in liquor or not? - A. I imagined he had been cheerful.

Q. Did not he appear to be drunk? - A. I cannot say he was drunk; he had been drinking certainly.

Q. YOu found nothing upon Harris, no watch, or any thing of that kind? - A. We found the watch in the shed.

Cross-examined by Mr. Jackson. Q. You found Budd at work? - A. He was not at home when we first went.

Q.When you did find him he was at work? - A. Yes.

Court. Q.What was the hat tied up in? - A. An handkerchief with a stain of port wine or damsontart, or something of that sort; I believe it was the prisoner's handkerchief.

Mr. Gurney. Q. When was it you first went to Budd's master, when he was not at home? - A. It might be a little after ten.

ANN GORDON < no role > sworn.

Examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. You are housekeeper to Mr. Williams? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you recollect the prosecutor and Budd supping at your master's house on the Sunday night? - A. Yes.

Q. They were in the tap-room? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you see the prisoner Harris while they were there? - A. Yes; he had two sixpennyworths of rum and water, I made it; he stood at the corner of the bar fronting the tap-room, at the outside of the bar.

Q. Could he command a view of the tap-room? - A. Yes; Budd and the prosecutor was just done supper, and drinking.

Q. Upon their leaving your master's house, did you observe any thing? - A. Yes; the moment Budd and the other went out of the room he snatched the stick from the bar and seemed in great confusion, and went away immediately after them; I am certain he is the person.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. How many persons were in the tap-room at this time? - A. Nobody but themselves and the waiters.

Q. So that Budd and Hill were eating their suppers together, Harris had his rum and water by himself at the bar? - A. Yes.

Q. How far from where Budd and Hill were? - A. As far as from here to the bench.

Q. You heard Williams claim that as his stick? - A.Yes; and Harris instantly took it up and went away; Hill and Budd had been gone about one minute.

Q. Were you near enough to the door to see which way they went? - A. No.

WILLIAM SHORE < no role > sworn.

Examined by Mr. Gurney. I keep the Wheatsheaf at Paddington.

Q. On the night of this robbery did you see either of the prisoners at your house? - A. Yes; Harris came first a little before ten o'clock.

Q. Did he bring any thing with him? - A. He brought a bundle in with him.

Q. What sort of a bundle was it? - A. It was a hat tied up in an handkerchief; he threw it over into the bar, and desired it might be taken care of; I examined it to see what was in the handkerchief, and I saw it was a hat; after he had been there about ten minutes or thereabouts, the prisoner Budd came in, and enquired if there was any of his acquaintance or his fellow servants there; I told him there was Harris in the parlour, he had got some rum and water, and he went in to him.

Q. How long did they remain together? - A. Till about half past ten, and then I believe they went away together; Harris took the bundle with him.

Q. Did you observe any thing in Harris's hand besides the bundle? - A. Only a stick.

Q. Look at that stick; was it that sort of a stick? - A. Yes; such a kind of stick as that.

Cross-examined by Mr. Jackson. Q. I believe your's is a public-house of considerable resort? - A. Yes.

Q.Situated at Paddington? - A. Yes.

Q. Many of the journeymen pass their evenings at your house? - A. They call in a morning and evening.

Q. Many of the journeymen baker s? - A. Yes.

Q. And Budd came in and asked if any of his felow servants or acquaintances were there? - A. Yes.

Q. They were fellow servants together? - A. Yes, they were.

Q. And several of those bakers that frequent your house have occasionally worked together? - A. Yes.

Q. And that did not strike you as being extraordinary that he should ask for any of his acquaintances or fellow servants? - A. No.

Q. He did not take the bundle till he went away, nor open it? - A. No.

CHRISTOPHER CREEDLAND < no role > sworn.

Examined by Mr. Gurney. I am an officer; I apprehended the prisoner Budd at his master's house; I told him it was on suspicion of a robbery committed that night; he desired me to let him go up stairs and put on his clothes he had just pulled off; in his box, there wassome money lying upon the clothes. I searched Harris at the watch-house, after Pole had taken him there, and found upon him a watch belonging to a publican in Oxford-street, a new guinea, and five shillings and threepence-halfpenny; in his coat pocket. I found a handkerchief stained with red wine, I went into the yard and desired Cooke to go up into the shed, and I handed him a candle, and desired him to look about to see if he could find any thing, and I saw him bring out a handkerchief.

JOHN BAKER < no role > sworn.

I found the watch in the shed, at the back part of the shed, of his master's house, close to where he was taken; I found it the next morning as soon as his master opened the door.

Q. You saw Harris? - A. Yes.

Q. Was there any stain at all upon his clothes? - A. Yes; there was a spot upon his nankeen pantaloons. (Produces the clothes the prosecutor had on, which were very bloody).

Mr. Gurney. Q. Is the stock at all cut? - A. I don't see that it is.

Q.(To Baker.) How far from the ground did you find the watch? - A. Upon the ground; the glass is broke.

JOHN COOKE < no role > sworn.

I apprehended Harris; I found the hat close by where I took the prisoner, it was thrown over a wall at the bottom of the garden.

Hill. This is my watch, there is a name on the dial-plate.

Q. Look at that hat? - A. This is my hat.

Q.At the time you lost your watch, was the chain in this broken condition? - A. No; it was a little longer, and it had a key and a seal to it.

Q. Was the glass whole or broken at that time? - A. Whole.

Mr. Knowlys. Q. Did you not say, when you went back to the house at Bayswater, that you had been robbed by a person of the appearance of a gentleman, but that you could not swear to his person? - A. No, I did not; when I first came in, I said, is Robert here? and they told me directly, seeing the situation I was in, to cut my hair, and I don't know that I said any thing of the kind.

Mr. Knowlys. (To Cooke.) Q. Upon whose premises did you find the hat? - A. I cannot say; it was joining to Mr. Hester's; I cannot tell who it belongs to.

Mr. Gurney. (To Williams.) Q. When the prosecutor came back in that bloody condition, did he describe the person that robbed him? - A. He said, it was a person of the appearance of a gentleman.

Q.Did he say whether he should or not know him again? - A.Not that I know.

Mr. Knowlys. Q. Was Jane Smart < no role > at your house when he came back? - A. Yes.

Mr. Gurney. Q. Look at that stick; is that the stick that Harris had with him? - A. Yes; I know the stick, it is an American one.

Mr. Gurney. (To Mrs. Gordon.) Q. Did you hear the prosecutor describe the person of the man that robbed him? - A. I cannot say; I was so confused, and had so strong a suspicion myself of the man, that I cannot say; he said he had the appearance of a gentleman; the prosecutor was fainting.

For Harris.

JANE SMART sworn.

Examined by Mr. Knowlys. I am servant to Mr. Williams, at the Bayswater coffee-house.

Q. Do you recollect Budd and the prosecutor being there? - A. Yes, very well; because I sat down in their company.

Q. Did you see the prisoner, Harris, there? - A. No; only I saw some man there, but I don't know who; I and my fellow servant went out with Budd and Hill.

Q. Did any body follow them the way they were going? - A. No; for Hill went into the field, and I stopped back with Budd several minutes, and there was not a soul went by; we stood five or six minutes, I am sure, at the bridge going out against the green.

Q. You are sure nobody went past? - A. I am sure there was not a soul.

Q. Did any body go out of your bouse nearly about the time that Budd and Hill went out? - A. I saw some man go out at my left hand, when I went out, but I don't know who.

Q. Did he go in the direction that Budd and Hill went? - A. No; we went to the right, and that man turned to the left.

Q. Were you at the house when this poor fellow Hill came back, so much hurt? - A. I and my fellow servant met him coming back.

Q. Did he describe the person that robbed him? - A. I asked him; he said to me, is the young baker come back, meaning Budd.

Q. Did he tell you by whom he had been robbed? - A. No; he said he did not know; he told me over and over again, he did not know.

Q. Did you ask him whether he should know the person? - A. No; but I asked if he knew who had done it, and he said, no; he said the man that did it appeared like a gentleman.

Mr. Jackson. Q. You waited upon Hill and Budd? - A. No; a little girl waited upon them, I was sitting in their company and drank with them.

Q. You saw what liquor they had? - A. Yes.

Q. Did they seem to be drinking pretty freely? - A. They were very good friends; and they hada pint of wine and a shilling's worth of punch; Budd drank three glasses one after the other; and I said, Robert, how can you drink so; and he said, then you drink it for me; I said, I don't drink red wine; I said, to oblige him, I would drink it.

Cross-examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. You and Budd are old acquaintances? - A. I have seen him with bread, I knew his name was Robert.

Q. You know Harris pretty well? - A. Not till he came to Bow-street.

Q.When the prosecutor came back, and you asked him who had robbed him, he said, he did not know who he was? - A. He said, is the young baker come back; I said, no; he said, he had been robbed of his watch and five guineas; he said over and over again, that he did not know the man that robbed him.

Q. Who was there? - A. Mr. Gatefield, at the Crown.

Q. Was not Mr. Williams there? - A. No; he was at home; this was in the road; me and my fellow servant, and Mr. Gatefield and his sister were there; they had a lighted candle in their hand.

JAMES CLARKE < no role > sworn.

I live in Wardour-street, Soho; I am a baker: Harris lived with me in 1789; I have known him near six years to bear a very good character; he lived with me near twelve months, and was very sober and honest.

WILLIAM DRAKE < no role > sworn.

I live at Pimlico, I am a baker: I have known the prisoner, Harris, three years and a half, he is an exceeding good servant, a very honest man, and a very harmless inossensive man.

WILLIAM BOXALL < no role > sworn.

I am a baker, in King-street, Golden-square: I have known Harris about five years, he has lived with me twice; he was very honest when he lived with me.

JAMES GRAY < no role > sworn.

I am a baker, at Highgate: I have known Harris three years and a half; he is a very honest character; he lived with me about eighteen months; he is a very honest man; he left me upon the ground of being ill, or else I would not have parted from him.

JAMES FOREST < no role > sworn.

I am a baker, in King-street, St. James's square: I have known Harris four years and a half; he bears a very good character.

WILLIAM MILLS < no role > sworn.

I have been a linen-draper; I am not any business now; I live at Bristol: I was in town seven months, and during that time, I was very intimate with Harris; I never knew any thing but that he was strictly honest, during that time, and he has spent a great part of his time with me.

(For Budd). JAMES BRADFORD < no role > sworn.

I have known Budd, three years; he lived servant with me eleven months; he was exceedingly honest and sober.

JOHN STOCK < no role > sworn.

I am a baker: Budd lived with me from the 9th of January last till April; he was very sober and industrious.

JAMES CLARKE < no role > again.

In the summer of 1793, the prisoner Budd lived with me seven weeks, he bore a very good character at that time.

JOHN ARNOLD < no role > sworn.

Examined by Mr. Jackson. Q. Do you know Hill, the prosecutor? - A. Yes; very well.

Q. Did any conversation pass between him and you respecting this charge? - A. Yes.

Q. Did he happen to say any thing as to his belief concerning Budd? - A. Yes; he said he believed Budd to be a very good sort of a young fellow, he respected him much, and he should be very sorry to hurt him, on any account; he said he had known him about six weeks.

Q. Did he happen to say any thing respecting his belief whether Budd hurt him or not? - A. He said Budd did not hurt him: I have known him for years, and all the whole family; he bore a very good honest character; he came to me, and from me he was recommended to Mr. Bradford.

Cross-examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. What are you? - A. A baker.

Q.Where had you this conversation with the prosecutor? - A. At the Three Tuns, in Red cross-street.

Q. You made it your business to find him out? - A. Yes, and his brother made an appointment with him, at my desire.

Q. And there you drank a little together? - A. I believe the gentlemen did not drink any.

Q. At whose desire did you get this conversation? - A. By Budd's.

Q. Was it by Budd's desire that you made any offer to Hill, upon this occasion? - A. I did not make any offer.

Q. Did you make no offer to the prosecutor not to appear against Budd? - A.No.

Q. Who else was there? - A. One Mr. Sylvester, a friend of Mr. Harris's.

Q.You are sure you made no offer to him not to prosecute Budd? - A. I did not.

Q. Are you sure you made no offer to him not to prosecute Harris? - A. I am sure I did not; I am but a poor man, and it was not in my power to make any offer at all.

For the Prosecution.

JAMES PITCAIRNE < no role > sworn.

Examined by Mr. Gurney. I was present whenArnold and several others made offers to the prosecutor for Budd; I saw their friends, I think, five different days; I saw them that Hill should not see them; I would not enter into any treaty with them.

Q. Did Arnold make any offer? - A.They wished me to come to some terms, as I had a pretty considerable influence over Hill, they wished me to persuade Hill to receive money for him not to appear against the prisoner at the bar.

Q. Are you sure Arnold was one of the persons that made an offer? - A. Yes; he was in company at the same time, at the public-house in Red-cross-street.

Q. What sum was offered? - A. The morning the trial was to have come on last session, a man, in company with Arnold, came and said he would give one hundred guineas; and as Hill might not be able to do his work again, it was likewise in his power to put him into something that might be of service to him during his life.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. Arnold appeared to be the friend of Budd? - A. Yes.

Cross-examined by Mr. Jackson. Q. You say they and they, which of the theys do you mean? - A. Arnold was one of them.

Q. What were the precise words that Arnold used? - A. They wanted me to come to some terms.

Q. Who were they? - A. Mr. Arnold was one; he wished me to come to some treaty.

Q. What were the words that he used? - A. I cannot tell the words he used, because I told them justice must take place.

Q. There were five or six people present? - A. Yes.

Q. And that five or six times during the course of the same day? - A. Yes; some of them; not altogether.

Q. Were there five or six people present each time? - A. No.

Q. How often did you see Arnold, during that day? - A.Twice, if not three times.

Q. Now state the positive words that he used to you, and who was by when he used them? - A. There was another man, but his name I don't know: on the Wednesday the trial was to have come on, I met Arnold and another man by accident, near St. Bartholomew's hospital; he wished to see Mr. Hill, and to come to where he lodged, to enter into some treaty with him.

Q. Do you mean to say, upon your oath, he used these words-I want to come into some treaty with him? - A. Yes; that he might do something for him not to appear against the prisoner.

Q. When did you see Arnold again? - A.They were to come to Red-cross-street; they met at the public-house, Mr. Arnold was one, and another of the name of King, I believe; there were five or six in all.

Q.They were not all friends of Budd? - A. No; some friends of Harris's.

Q. And some strangers perhaps? - A. No; they were all friends of the two.

Q. What did Arnold say to you, then? - A. Arnold did not say any thing particular more than the other.

Q. I ask you again, what Arnold said upon that occasion? - A. I cannot say.

Q. Did he say any thing to you? - A. Yes; but I cannot recollect his words.

Q. Where was it this person talked of giving 100 guineas? - A. He came to me to the Jerusalem coffee-house; I keep the Jerusalem coffee-house.

Q. Did he come to you alone? - A. Yes; I believe he was Harris's friend.

Q. Don't you know, that Arnold is as poor as a church mouse? - A. He may be, there was no money mentioned by Arnold.

Harris, GUILTY . Death . (Aged 22.)

Budd, NOT GUILTY .

Tried by the first Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Baron HOTHAM.