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, were indicted for
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traiterously making a piece of false, feigned, and counterfeit money, to the likeness and similitude of the current legal money and silver coin of this realm called a shilling
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September 5th
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2d Count. For coining a sixpence.
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[The witnesses were examined apart at the request of the prisoner.]
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I went to search the house of
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, in company with Farrell, Paggett, Wynne, and Elby; I think it was on the 5th of September, about eight in the morning: we could not get in at the fore door; Farrell and I went round into a rope ground and got in at the back door; we met a woman in the passage; she asked what we wanted; I ran immediately to the fore door and let Wynne and Pagget in; finding nobody below, we went up to the one pair of stairs room, there I found
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and Mrs. Wild in bed.
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How many rooms are there on a floor? - Two, I believe; it was in the fore room: I did not stop there long, but ran up into the two pair of stairs room, and found
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in bed; I knew him immediately; I said nothing to him, but went down stairs and told who was there; we began to search in the one pair of stairs room; on the woman's side of the bed we found these pockets (producing four linen pockets); Mrs. Wild immediately jumped out of bed and endeavoured to secure the pockets, Farrell snatched them away and delivered them to me, and I found a quantity of bad shillings in them; they are now in the pockets sealed up in the same state they were; they are tied up in separate parcels; we secured the people and went down into a back kitchen, there we found a pair of flasks, a quantity of sand, crucibles, a bottle of aqua fortis, files, weights scales, and facing, in short every thing used in coining.
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What were the scales for? - For weighing the quantity of metal, I believe; there was a large quantity of charcoal, a stove and furnace fixed, with two melting pots in it, a quantity of copper, a pair of sheers, this pot (producing it) was on the fire with the pickle in it, but the fire was out; here is another piece of metal found in some part of the room, I cannot justly say what part; a sieve, scissars, a cork, and every thing that can be used in that way (the several articles were produced in court).
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What do you call that metal? - It is to melt down to make counterfeit shillings, they call it cicil; I believe there has been some pieces cut out of it.
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I went to search this house in Brooks-street: Dixon and Farrell got in the back way and opened the street door; then I went in with Pagett and Elby; we went up stairs and found
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and his wife in bed, and
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in bed in the two pair of stairs room; I desired Mrs. Wild to open a chest in the one pair of stairs room, which she did, and I found in it a quantity of bad shillings and sixpences; it stood at the foot of the bed in the lower bed-room; I believe Dixon and Pagget broke open the door, and there was all the tools, which are produced; Dixon, I, and Farrell searched Bond's house at Mile-end the same day, where I found a parcel of bad money, which he said he had from the prisoner (producing it).
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The prisoner and Mr. Bond took a house of me in Brooks-street, Ratcliff-cross; Bond said it was for Mrs. Wild and her husband; she was present when he made the agreement; it is between four and five months ago.
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Do you know whether Mr. and Mrs. Wild entered the house? - I know Mrs. Wild did; for a few days before this was discovered, she came to me to have a new lock put on the door; I never saw him there; I am not certain whether I was ever in the house after it was let; - I believe I was once.
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Cross Examination.
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Bond took the house for Wild and his Wife, which of the Wilds did you understand it was? - I don't know; I had never seen Wild.
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Then Mrs. Wild took it for herself and her husband? - I think Mrs. Wild signed the agreement for herself and her husband.
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Did you sign any agreement? - Yes; I believe I signed for the other party.
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Did you sign any agreement to
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? - I don't know which of the Wilds it was.
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Have you the agreement? - I left it at Mr. Sherwood's by his desire.
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JOHN BOND sworn.
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I know all the prisoners; I have known them four or five years, as far as neighbours; they came to live in Brooks-street about Midsummer; I believe they took the house of one Mr. Bell.
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Tell what you know of the offence with which they are charged, being committed in that house? - I had some knowledge of it before they came there, in Whitechapel; I have been in the house in Brooks-street several times; I have had three or four guineas worth of silver at a time of
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, at twenty-eight, shillings to the guinea; I have seen them rubbing something resembling money with paper; I have seen John scouring something, and Joseph treading some sand, I imagine to cast in; it was a kind of a box of sand; I never saw the woman do any thing.
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Should you know the box again? - I don't know that I should.
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How long was it before they were apprehended that you saw this? - About two months; it might be less or more; I don't know that I ever saw it but once.
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Who did you buy silver of? - John first of all; I bought twenty guineas worth of John's wife in Whitechapel, at twenty-eight shillings the guinea.
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What was the last money you purchased of them? - I believe three or four guineas.
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How long was that before they were apprehended? - Within a week, I think.
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Was your house searched at the time they were apprehended? - Yes.
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Some money was found there? - Yes.
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How much? - I don't know.
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Who had the money that was found in your house? - Some of them; I believe there was none but what I received of Wild, except a shilling or two I might take and throw in.
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How much might be the quantity? - There might be two or three guineas; I recommended them as tenants to Mr. Bell; I knew them before.
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Your business was only to vend the bad money? - I had nothing to do in the making of it.
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You was not permitted to see them make it? - I was in the room once; I saw Mr. Wild rubbing some metal with sand; I saw
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What sort of a thing was it? - (Looks at the flask) It was something like that.
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'evidence.'
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JOHN CLARKE
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sworn.
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Are these instruments produced proper for the coining of silver? - Certainly so; here is the flasks into which the metal is poured.
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Is aqua fortis used in coining? - Yes; it is used to colour the metal after it is coined.
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What is that in the crucibles? - There has been metal melted in this crucible; (looks at another) that has not been used.
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What is that in it? - It is what they call get; it is laid in the sand when they cast, it feeds the impression; there is a piece of lead laid on the side of that and then impressions are made.
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Cross Examination.
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Whether these crucibles and instruments may not be used to other purposes besides the
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purpose of coining? - Certainly, where melting business is carried on.
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JAMES COLLARD
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sworn.
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I am one of the moniers of the Mint (picks out fourteen, or sixteen shillings and sixpences); these are bad; there is not one of the others I would swear to be good; but there are some of them doubtful.
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COURT. What quantity is there of them in all?
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Counsel. About seven pound.
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JOHN WILD
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's DEFENCE.
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I am innocent; my brother will give you an account of the things.
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ELIZABETH WILD
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's DEFENCE.
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I had the money that was in my pockets of my brother, he was going out and desired me to take care of it; he did not like to carry such money about with him; that is all I know of it.
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JOSEPH WILD
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's DEFENCE.
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About a twelvemonth ago one Yardley, who was under sentence of death, sent to me and said, he had so and so, which was the things produced in Court; that if I would go I might have them, they were packed up in a box in Golden-lane, they were of no use to him; I went to the house in Golden-lane, and got the box; I brought it to this house, there were these things in it; when I saw what it was, I thought to run all this money into gun metal, and when the witnesses came in, I was treading the sand to do it; I am a
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gunsmith
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FOR
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JOSEPH WILD
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.
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JOHN CURRON
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sworn.
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I did keep the Black-raven, in Golden-lane, some time ago.
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Do you know of a box left there? - I know nothing of Yardley; there was a box left at the bar; a man came and enquired for it, and said it was marked J. Y.; I looked, and it was so marked; I delivered it.
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Cross Examination.
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You kept a public house in Golden-lane? - Yes.
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This box was left in your custody? - It was left there, I don't know by who; I never saw the man that left it; it was left in the care of my wife.
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COURT. How did you know who to deliver it to? - He told me the mark of it.
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Did you ever see Yardley? - No.
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COURT. So a box is left in the bar you don't know by who; it stands in the bar where any body might see it; and you deliver it to any body that mentions the mark of it? - There is nobody admitted into the bar but my wife and myself.
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p
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Where do you live now? - I keep the Crown ale-house in Cock-lane, Spital-fields.
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Was you ever taken up for this? - No; I never was in custody in my life for any thing.
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Mr. COLLARD. I have looked the money over; and selected about thirty pieces that are bad.
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'The prisoners called four other witnesses,
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'who gave them a good character.'
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JOHN and
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, both
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GUILTY
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Death
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.
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ELIZABETH WILD
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NOT GUILTY
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Tried by the First Middlesex Jury before Mr. Baron EYRE.
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