September 1799.

Butcher said he believed him to be as Innocent as
himself or any other Man in the Kingdom, I
believe Mr.. Aris say'd that he would ask the Committee
or somebody and that if his behaviour warranted
it he should go into the Kitchen it depended upon his
own behaviour this was after Evans left the Room
I think then a Question was asked by Butcher whether< no role >
he might be allowed to Drink any thing but the
Goal allowance I do not know whether Beer or
Wine was mentioned I think the Governor Answered
was that he never Allowed a Prisoner any thing
but what was Customarily allowed in the Goal unless
the Doctor sanctioned it when Butcher asked Evans
how he did he say'd he was as well as could be
expected not so well as if he was out, Questioned
by Mr.. Nares did the Governor at any time and
when apply to you for the loan of Money, either
by yourself or any other Person?. - he did to me
Mr.. Aris, on a Day which I cannot name asked
me if I thought I could borrow £100. for him, I
told him it was a very large sum that I really
has no Friend to whom I could apply for such
a sum his Answer was why Butcher is a Man
of Property could not you ask him to lend it me
my Answer was, I dont like to ask of Butcher
such a favour as it may be preluded to him to ask
some improper favor, - The Governor said nothing
of that sort could happen from it that he had pay-
-ments to make which were urgent and that they
must be Answered at an early hour in the Morning
and that they were for the County I told him I would
ask Butcher but at the same time told him I did
not much like it, It so happened I met Butcher
some where about Parliament Street the same day.
as I was going from Mr.. Aris's, I repeated Mr.. Aris's
words as near as I could to Butcher and told
Butcher at the same time that I thought it not a
proper thing to be asked and do recollect saying to